I think we all just need to remain CIVIL, and RESPECTFUL of each other's views, without attacking each other. If you and I agreed on everything, then ONE OF US WOULDN'T NEED TO BE HERE . . . right?
The funniest thing is, Lotus, in my "real life" I'm really more of a Mr. Nice Guy than a hardass. I'm a classic people-pleaser, conflict-avoider, Nice Guy who hates confrontation. It's just that I try to provide, here, whatever I feel might be MISSING from the other advice people are getting, and -- in general (past 30 days or so on the "Infidelity" forum notwithstanding), for every 1x post about "hardball" you'll read 10x about "Bo-Peep." I look for men, especially, who are NOT happy with how their current situation is going, and who do NOT seem to have the temperament to be able to do the "standing" thing for much longer. Those that are OK with it, I may WARN them, but I pretty much leave them alone.