TBL, don't feel guilty! Feel proud of your efforts. To some extent, you reap what you sow. If I had dealt with this years ago, she would not be feeling as bad as she does. I may have left the R and never got here had I tried in the past, so I consider it a test from God. I'm trying to pass despite having question 1-11 wrong...

Lotus/CB - thanks for your POV~

I'm thinking maybe there is a way to put a spin on it. I do NOW feel attracted for being with her physically, so I got to think about that. I really wasn't though...just desires to do something. My W called it 'duty'. I think I was kinder than that, but whatever.

I'll put some more thought to what you said - she is still going to RV, and has backed down on the separation idea (thank God!)