Beautifully stated, BBJ. Yes, that's what I was trying to get at. And your point that at that moment you might have realized the marriage was unsalvageable shows just how important that "shaking of the etch-a-sketch" is. The marriage cannot go forward if it is mired in the garbage of the past. Before we left Retrouvaille we were asked to strip the beds and leave the linens in the hallway. I imagined that we left 26 years of marital baggage and hard feelings in that hallway, too. I have always wondered how they disposed of all the hard feelings left there on Sundays.