Ok, after reading CityGirl I will admit that I have had a few past discussions when I was trying to get a sense of a more defined R anything that got responded to by my H with, "Well if you have to know right now..." followed by something negative, harsh, and definitive. So... On the other hand, neither of us have yet to pull the final trigger. But it was NOT pleasant to experience that either several times prior to DB becaues of ME trying to "communicate."