AMY, I am sorry to hear that, I had a feeling that Jeff would be stubborn until it was too late..... You bring up a very good point about DBing too long. People here really misunderstand me and my beliefs. I am all for standing and DBing, but there does come a point and time where enough is enough. Unfortunately some people here will never recognize that time and in not recognizing it, they end up feeling worse about themselves and doing more harm than good to their self-esteem.