feel like giving up - talk to me!

[Gardener]

luv, I've been lurking exclusively and I apologize for not even chiming in with encouragement when I don't have advice.

last night got ugly H said in front of the kids at the table, "f*ck all of you guys."

What a shame, For all of you.

He had said something negative to me and my S19 said, "oh no you didn't dad" basically calling him on his behavior. H did not like that so he lashed out.

Sounds like you're raising yourself a real man, there!

I said, "look...I'm sorry you are unhappy but if this is over I want you to know I'm not leaving with the attitude or feeling that my marriage was miserable." I was content and ok and I did love you (he stated last night he didn't feel loved) I then said, "I'm willing to do what it takes to save our marriage but I need to know...are you?"

Good for you!

He says, "I can't answer that question right now." I take that as a no! how else do I take it?

I would've said, "Then I want to know right now when I can expect an answer. Give me a date, a deadline, just live up to it and be man enough to answer that question."

Anyway...I think I'm heading towards divorce faster than I thought. I am not confused anymore. I know what is headed my way. I want to close the door to my heart.

Me, too. I hear you. I closed my door last month after 14 months of trying harder than anything I've ever tried in my life. It sucks. And it's liberating.

(((Hugs))) for

.....a very hurt Luv

Oh, and luv & patpat:

Often times, I've wondered why this site has not turned into a potential dating or match making site.

I've been saying this for months. Who is on this site? Hundreds of decent, loving, selfless men and women who believe in vows, the sanctity of marriage and true intimacy between two mature, cherishing life partners and who fight daily and relentlessly against all kinds of odds to save their own marriages

We should be dating each other! .