IRMAC, I don't think you are running your mouth! You have the right to believe as you wish! I also have the right to disagree with you! Anyway, what good would a divorce do? Well, first let me say this, I am not in favor of them either, but with that being said, there are tines when they are needed. As MWG pointed out, God hates divorce, but I also believe he recognizes that there are situations when its warranted. IRMAC, A divorce in your and MWG situations would help in the following. 1. Eliminate a very toxic, stressful, and unloving relationship. 2. Give yourself peace of mind. 3. Have Court ordered Support for your children. 4. Give yourselves an opportunity to start over. 5. Give yourselves a chance to meet someone else down the road. I just think there is way too much water under the bridge for either H to return..... Honestly, I don't know how you can rebuild a marriage with that much damage done to it anyway. I just think there has been way too much hurt caused to ever get past..... I just see both of you doing the same thing years from now and I think its very sad...... It is your lives to live though.