Thanks Norm.

I realize it is hard for some guys to grasp. Those who don't grasp it are the ones on here that just can't stop trying and then wonder what more they can do.

Should I ask her out again, it has been two weeks?
How can I ask her without it being pressure? (you can't)
Maybe she will see the changes in me

And the list goes on and on...

The men that have the MOST success are the ones who GET THE MESSAGE that the woman gives them.

Clinging's wife IS giving him the message. He just doesn't understand that she needs him to show her that he DOES get it..

That message is ... "I don't feel I love you. I want out." etc. etc.. The sooner he lets her know that he has had an awakening that communicates this to her... " I get it. You don't love me and me trying to show you I have changed and me trying to hang in there isn't changing the way you feel about me" I now get it and will leave you alone and will stop ANY AND ALL pursuit, anything that looks like pursuit, anything that smells like pursuit.... You are on your own now baby.. I GOT the message. I don't know what took me so long to get it.. I do now..

THAT is when the dynamic has the best chance to turn around. Not before that happens. (as we have observed and seen)

This all has to do with the OM. It really does. Right now she won't let go of the OM anymore than Clinging is letting go of her.

Sorry that it has to be that way, but it is the way it is.