IRMA, Neither one of you are new.... You have been at this long enough to understand things. Understand this regarding drug users..... If tough love and strict boundaries are not applied, the drug user will die. I have seen it personally and professionally. "Help" doesn't mean the user not paying the price. The user must hit bottom and want help.... Sound familiar? As for the marriage is concerned.... IRMA, you can "hope" as long as you want to, but the reality of the situation is her H has not changed and the way that MWG has handled the situation has not changed, therefore, is there any reason to believe the outcome of the situation will change? Sometimes helping someone means being tough with them, not just a pat on the back.