alaskangal: where is your thread, I would like to read more about your situation. Don't you feel like you are sometimes in a ditch and you keep climbing, and climbing but your getting nowhere. You have a ladder in the ditch, but for some reason you need to prove something and continue to climb, finally you say the heck with it and use the ladder, get out and go down a new road, new life, to find someone else. I think I explained it right (the way I'm feeling) I have said I'm sorry twice and both times, he got very short with me and said that he knows and I don't need to say it anymore. So I don't. I don't know what else to do. I ve asked to come back and make the marriage work, I get either nothing and finally he said he wasn't ready. Even if me living with OM (I know I needed to get away from him and that hurt my trust level with exh) But even with living OM 45 minutes away. Everyday I drive over to see them (now it's only 10 mins away so it's not bad) but like I said I am with them every moment, but when its time for bed, I leave and go to my place. Every Friday and Sat night I ask him, would you like me to have daughter sleep over? Do you have plans? normally he doesn't and daughter sleeps over his place. I am always accomadating him. He is a biker so on Sat mornings he goes out like 7 a.m., so here I come, get up at 6 a.m. to be to his house for 7 so he can go bike riding. I go to church with them and okay he does ask me to go places with him and daughter on Sundays. He will not approach me for sex, he has an extremely low sex drive. I did once, and got nowhere. It's like we are still marriage but without my name on the mortagage and I get no sex. Sorry to be going on and on, but he lets me do everything like when we were married. I am so tired and frustrated!! Does anyone else feel like this?? If I try to move to the next level, I get no response. I know I'm probably just rambling for nothing, but, well I don't know how to explain it, but do you just keep kissing --- for years in the hopes that one day they will say, well, shes hung on this long, lets try to get back together??