wow nc, sorry for the amount of BS you have to deal with xW. Explain s8 that other than food and lodging everything else, including gifts, are optional, that you may choose not to buy stuff and that it is your decision, not his or his brother's, it's yours to make. There will be pouts and complaints, but stick to your guns. You didn't have to explain to your s8 anything, don't give him so much power... as for xW butting in, cut her off inmediately and dont' explain her anything either, say you'll call later and hang up. BTDT hon, trust me, the less you explain/talk to her the better, she is too toxic, stick to the bare minimum and that's it.
Be not afraid...I will repay you for the years the locusts have eaten Joel2
30something 2kids survivor of S, MLC, A, D I have peace in my heart, at last.