ssmguy you said: "Sure, level 6 sounds good, and I think I can visualize it emotionally, and it sounds great. But if I were to divorce, my giddy thoughts revolve around dating lots of women and having casual sex for a good while, something I feel I missed when I was young because I got married a little too soon, and because I then also missed all that good sex and experience I thought I was going to have in my marriage to make up for the lack of experience before marriage!"

If you were to divorce or separate, I would 100% agree that you should date around and sleep around for a good long time until you feel you've experienced a significant amount of sex.

Reaching for level 6 isn't really what this discussion is about. It was brought up (by Cyrena) to show you a point, in rebuttal to what you said you were afraid would be "boring old people sex". It is a great idea to use for motivation however, for all of us, so that we know there is something "more" out there.

However, level 6 is something for committed long term partners, as you know, and therefore it can't work for you and your wife right now anyway. Nor should it be what you are looking for straight out of the gate when you end up divorced (which I give you about a 70/30 chance of divorce right now, because of your own mindset).

I was married AND pregnant at age 20, and I immediately also had a 3 year step-child. So I spent the next 17 years taking care of them. When I left my ex-h, I was determined to get out there and date, have some fun, have some unattached sex, play around, learn things, meet people, etc. And I did do that - and it was great. I highly recommend you do the same.

But I really don't see how that point has anything to do with the discussion? You still seem to be projecting upon the posters here some agenda that we don't actually have. We are not trying to get you to be a level 6 Schnarch expert. We are trying to get you to see you are currently on the path to divorce, that there is possibly a way to overcome your marital sex problems, and that you could even end up in that beautiful place of level 6....but the point is not the level 6. The point is that your way of dealing with your problem isn't working and you are going to lose your marriage because of it eventually.

One more thing. Have you realized that you may end up divorced because your wife has an affair, falls in love, and asks YOU for one? The way you are handling your marriage right now leaves your wife prime for an affair. I know you, like most people in your shoes, would think "no way, she doesn't even like sex, why would she have an affair?" But you would be surprised to know just how many women who "don't want sex" end up in affairs, as their sex starved husbands are just amazed and dumbfounded.

DQ