Oh well here I am, could be worse...

[Gardener]

I'm sorry today sucks for you.

Lotta that goin' 'round today. Hang in there and Happy Thanksgiving you guys.

[Startingover2]

I hope you had a good Thanksgiving! Did you have the kids at all? The part of divorce that really stinks...not having them on the holidays.

[volleydog]

Thanks, it was good, no didn't get to see the kids...I helped go out and feed the homeless, which REALLY puts things in perspective...helping a homeless family really makes you thankful for what you have...

[Startingover2]

Thanks, it was good, no didn't get to see the kids...I helped go out and feed the homeless, which REALLY puts things in perspective...helping a homeless family really makes you thankful for what you have...

Good for you! I made my kids go with me one year to do that, but it was Christmas time. All they were doing was complaining about what they wanted for Xmas and I took them to a shelter and we served dinner. What an eye opener.

I am sorry you didn't see your kids. That breaks my heart. You didn't want the D, you wanted your marriage and family together, but yet YOU are the one who made the sacrifice. That stinks. You do have a good outlook though. I probably would have crumbled.

Hope the rest of the weekend goes well.

[volleydog]

This is the kind of crap I hate about this D stuff...I sent EX a text asking if she could email a list of things kids may want for Christmas, last year we went separately, year before together...She emails me back that maybe we should get a sitter and go together, part of me so wants to believe it's more but I know it's not...Me thinking hey maybe now the D is final she's having second thoughts...Going to go with her, it's easier, but wish it was more, got to stop thinking that.

[dday101798]

...Going to go with her, it's easier, but wish it was more, got to stop thinking that.

Well, while you're running around with her, stop off and eat something and have a few drinks together, you never know?

[Startingover2]

LOL take it from me...don't try and read into it. It may be something and maybe not. You could go, just have no expectations.

[volleydog]

So last night I went over to her place to pick up S to take him to scouts last night...House was all decorated for Christmas except the tree had no decorations...

One thing I noticed was she hung my stocking up by the fireplace, made me feel good at first...Then after thinking about it sort of pisses me off, why hang it up I'm not going to be there, at least as of yet not invited and not going to ask...Why hang it up, we're not a family anymore we're a "family". Oh and it's a stocking she made for me for our first Christmas.

[Startingover2]

I notice those little things too. Its almost like them picking and choosing the times to play family and the times not to. Xmas is tough even for BS. The guilt must eat them alive.

You are the poster child for not showing your emotion to your W! Keep it up.

[volleydog]

LOL, I do my best around her...I was prepared to see the house decorated, thought the tree would be decorated, we've done it as a family every year...I expected it to be decorated, wonder if she'll ask me to help when I bring the kids back on Sunday...

One thing I am struggling with is the past two years I've gone over in the morning to be there for the kids to open presents, (MIL, FIL and SIL were there)...If she asks to do that this year I'm not sure I want to go and the reason is kind of selfish I think...I'm not going to get EX or in-laws anything for Christmas and assuming they'll do the same, I just don't really want to go there and watch everyone open gifts but me but I also don't want to miss being there for kids on Christmas morning...