I think when THEY hit bottom it is the lowest of the low. That is the only way they can change or wake up. They live in a fantasy world and pain has to hit them very hard. I really don't want to watch it happen.
Me: 46 H:44 Together: 25 years Married: 20 years Separated: 11-30-06 Divorced 12-21-07 OW: EA began 2005 PA began end of 2006 3 children,20, 16, 6 ex asked for forgiveness 01/16/11