IRMA,I never called you a doormat, I don't know where you came up with that. I was simply talking to 25years about thoughts in dealing with MLCer's, sorry you don't agree with my opinion. I am guilty of hijacking your thread, but that's about it. I have been here going on 4 years and I have seen a lot. I have seen enough to know that the LBS who sets boundaries and makes the MLCer accountable for responsibilites has a better chance. IRMA, you have filed child support papers on your husband. I hardly think that someone who does that and makes her husband accountable for his child can hardly be considered a doormat. Do you? IRMA, believe it or not, I am a christian too, I agree totally with forgiveness and love, but in saying that, it doesn't mean to sit still and let people treat you anyway. I am not implying that he is doing that to you, I am making a general statement. You also made mention of your husband going to church a positive sign, well, it might not be. The Bible clearly says there will be false apostiles, those who pretend to do the Lord's work, but are agents of evil. I believe that marriage is for life, until someone breaks the solemn vows taken for it. The bible is very specific about that as well. Anyway, I was just having a conversation with another person about some thoughts and opinions and I wasn't talking about anyone in particullar, just making a generalization. Sorry for the misunderstanding.