I agree John.

Before I had asked you about giving her an ultimatum about going to counseling. You said she would never do that. She is too controlling. Blah! Well that is your answer. Because with out HELP you guys are DONE.

Tell her that you are DONE as well. If she was serious about WORKING on YOU then she would commit to counseling as independents. You are tired of her immature games.

If she is too selfish and immature to GIVE anything then you have your answer.

Dont feel bad a lot of us were blinded by the initial LUST versus LOVE of the R. I would have never married and had a child w my X if I knew then what I know now. You will eventually feel the same way. Just be thankful the times you had and your beautiful daughter and LET GO and MOVE ON.

God Speed. PMA