Braveheart I hear you my friend, but I think you have got the wrong impression, maybe typing it on here and others reading it sends the wrong impression. What I would like everyone to know and understand is the fact that I will not have ex back, yes I could be his friend and be there for him as a freind should he fall on his arse so to speak, I dont think he would want to come back to me after all he as done, and to be quite honest he as been one bad and horrible man, hopefully he sees that someday. what I merely am hoping for is that this man and his son do have a reasonable relationship, and I also hope the [censored] hits the fan with wifey, not to see him have a broken marriage but just so he turns the corner and at least comes out of this with something, whether it be our former home before it is repossessed, or merely a good relationship with his son, yes I admit I feel sorry for this man, he doesnt and I mean doesnt deserve what is coming to him, whatever he did to us he did for a reason, that was his choice, but I can assure you I am not here waiting for his return, I have moved on with my life and am quite enjoying the freedom and all else that goes with it, having ex back is a big no no