Oh yes....I have had many of those conversations. Many times I was confused and thought "just walk away and don't listen", but the heart said to stand there, listen, and be a friend. A test maybe....through all this a lot of people have said "what is really wrong?"...you get along...you confide in each other....you get along for the most part better than we do. So yes there is hope....even as bad as things are...I hear a lot worse from others including marriages not in peril....and if this is bad I would love to see it get good again.
Went to see the therapist today. His wife is my old therapist and my wife's therapist. He asked in our first meeting if he could share notes with his wife to which I agreed. So today we were discussing things that have gone on in my life in general and he just looked at me and said "I have so much respect for you....so few people are as resilient as you and would still be there. That shows so much about your character and what true unconditional love is all about." That felt good!