Peace I hear you too thanks for your reply. Was only thinking last night this mlc sure does have its script. EX's auntie as disclosed to me many things, that maybe she shouldnt but she does anyway, one was the fight mentioned earlier about when wifey phoned to say they were splitting up, the second she as told me the debt is mounting up and she actually knows that a few months ago they were in 15k debt on the credit cards, she also revealed that ex had been up to her house on another occasion when him and skank had been falling out. I have told his auntie that when and if it hits him and he as the balls to get out that she will need to be there for him as I think it is to auntie he will turn, lets just hope she lives long enough to welcome him, poor poor soul when is he going to wake up and deal with what he as done, it cant be far off. take care folks Im off out on the beer again this weekend, mmmmm