BeingMe, I hear you too my friend and thanks for your reply, yes I agree with you wholeheartedly on every aspect of your post. I dont phone ex unless its to let him know son isnt going to rugby or something on those lines, I wait until he texts or phones me, I told him I wont get in touch with him as I dont want it causing trouble between him and wifey, I wish son and his dad well and only hope it improves. Yes ex is a true coward, for not wanting to face his old inlaws and for not facing up to what hes done from the onset. It is all still so sad and I do feel sorry for ex, but for me as I have said I WOULDNT be able to take him back, but will be here as a friend should he ever need one, I also would love him to break up with her before our old house sells or gets repossessed, just so that he hasnt come out of all this mess with nothing and her having taken everything off him and I mean every last morsel. Oh well life goes on, he didnt want me to be part of it, I have to look after me now and son of course, xxx