NCB,

I'm not sure that we are disagreeing. I wholeheartedly agree that giving his W freedom while putting boundaries in place was a great thing to do and was critical in W's recent changes.

Indeed, that was precisely my point. Puppy's approach and behavior to the whole separation definitely shifted things. And, importantly, part of the shift was to move him out of the role of moral enforcer. It seems to me important that people recognize that giving a WAS real space, without playing the role of moral enforcer, while certainly setting and maintaining clear boundaries is a very useful strategy, and one implemented by Puppy quite well recently.

As for whether or not Puppy has ridden the moral high horse in the past, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Puppy and I have discussed when he has come off as morally superior to his W, and he has even agreed that his W has perceived him this way in the past. If you read from the beginning of his story to the present, then you might agree with him on that point, or not.

With respect to boundaries in general, I'm a huge fan of setting boundaries. I encouraged Puppy in the very early stages of this whole thing ages ago to do so, and I have encouraged many others to as well. I am no fan of the misreading of DB that requires self-humilialition and doormatting.

Anyway, I wrote this more than anything else to clarify further what I meant for others reading along.

I'm not sure why my posts consistently inflame you so much. Often it seems to me that you look for posts from me to piss you off, lol, without reading them carefully. Maybe you do. Probably you don't. Perhaps you are still pissed off about something I wrote to you. If so, whatever I wrote is probably worth a second look. Often it is the posts that cause the strongest feelings that bear the closest scrutiny in terms of their usefulness in self-exploration. Maybe there is simply something in my style that puts you off or makes it hard for you to see my intended meaning. But, whatever is going on, it is really OK. We are two strangers on an internet discussion board. We don't have to agree. It is fine with me if you think everything I write is boneheaded, lol. What seems clear is that we probably aren't two strangers who can really engage in productive dialog at this point in time. Thus I generally choose to bow out of conversations with you. Please don't take my general lack of reply to your posts to me as an insult or feel ignored. I have no poor opinion of you. If you are on these boards, you are probably a very strong, very loving, very loyal person with intelligence and initiative. We simply mismatch in an online forum. Take care.


Best,
Oldtimer