What kind of 180 would you suggest? I have already said (and somewhat believe) that a divorce may be best for us - especially since she is unwilling to work on it. I don't think divorce is the best option. All I have really done is said I love her no matter what (even now), explosed flaws in her financial plans (or lack of), and presented her with various options and forced her to make decisions. I have stopped saying "I love you" and commenting on her behavior. Maybe I should go out and "party?" I've become a family man after my transformation. I hate to miss an evening with the kids. I will take them to do fun things without inviting her. Thanks for your input