Yeah I do tend to punish myself.

OOOOkay. Saw the C today. She said that sounds like saving the marriage is not impossible but improbable, that said, she would help me with this goal.

We also talked about all the other elements - need to invest in work or I'll regret it - need to get sleep - medications, symptoms of depression, all that stuff. I think she's going to be good.

So, she said, sounds like what I need to do for W is to begin to make her start feeling that intimacy again. Take her on a date, etc.

I asked, OK how do I do that without pursuing?

She said, well, there's a difference between doing this and chasing, applying pressure.

So guys, I'm going to seek out a difference balance with the pursuit thing. No pressure or chasing - but I'm going to change what I'm doing. Focus on filling W's "love bucket" from a position of confidence - not of expectation.

I'm going to try this anyway. I know the 2x4s are coming - but I think it's time to try something different.