Well, there`s damn all talk at ALL around here, SR. So I`d gladly settle for your non R conversations!

H won`t engage. But I`m not letting him away with the `we don`t talk anymore` excuse for splitting up. Plus I don`t want the kids to see us totally silent. And silence is a lethal weapon anyhow.

So I kill silence on occasion with an open question or even just a comment to H. Something really innocuous and non controlling or pursuing like "Is Mandy still working at your office"

Yeah, pathetic, I know. And I LOVE a good chat. (Just like I like to do long posts!)But that`s the only option I can see for now.

SR and Cat, looks like you`re both seeing a lot of positive progress. Like you, I don`t control anything at all with H. God, its taken me sooo long to learn that one. Like that your stepping back on the drink thing too Cat. He just may need that to help him through this patch, like you say.

The paranoia about our friends thing really is a common thread for us-i noticed Mach saying it too.Wonder is it because at some level our live ins know they`re treating us badly and are afraid we`ll blow their cover? Or is it a jealousy thing because they can`t do friendships as easily?

Glad you`re getting out and about on the friendship front too Cat. Its a lonely enough road without being totally isolated from the rest of humanity!