WAW wants to get togeather?

[dday101798]

Once the conversation defers from the kids, END IT, politely yet firmly, "this does not pertain to the kids, and I do not feel like discussing the subject matter, goodbye".

I initiated this approach too late in my sitch. It did get my XW to think about things and be more rationale and maybe almost have a chance, but again, it was too late, atleast to save the M.

So if you don't want to heed that advice and continue to be a doormat, that is your decision alone to make and things will just get worse.