I'm trying to impart something but it just isn't working. Tell me if you want me to just back off and let you show us how it is done...seriously, or maybe my input just doesn't fit...I wont take it personally.

In the mean time, one more shot.

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Physical Touch - read the book / web carefully - people assume, mistakenly, that PT=sex. WAW likes hand-holding, backrubs (non-sensual, please), foot rubs, etc. She likes to sit with something touching - leg, arm, what-have-you. As sex (with me) became more and more distasteful, she stopped that kindof touching - announced it in fact - because "you'll take it the wrong way" (i.e., I would find it arousing).


I was pretty much there in my M. I'm a pretty physical person in general but it isn't my LL. Any chance this is off? Do you care anymore? I am not saying I know, it is of course a projection...dare I say, I relate to this crazy woman in some way... eek

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And I absolutely DO NOT think she is sh*tty mother; I think she's as much mother as she can be but also that she'll continually improve because (a) she doesn't have me to fall back on as much and (b) she hates to lose (and as you can see is not a gracious loser).


Neither a or b make her a good mom. You explicitly expressed your very warranted doubts about her parenting abilities here. We're going for brutal honesty here, right? It is not her forte, you know it, she knows it (obviously she loathes herself for it)...

What a fabulous development it will be for her to be in therapy...a ray of hope.

Oh, and be careful not to confuse bitch-slap with spank, could lead to assult charges. grin