Originally Posted By: Puppy Dog Tails
Originally Posted By: robx


Tristan appears to be asking for help.
Telling him to sympathize with his wife's conditions & actions while neglecting his own personal value & self-respect in all of this in MY opinion isn't helping him much.

I could say "Hang in there Tristan, in the end you'll still be the better person!"

Or I can give him some tough love (and it hasn't been that tough yet), a kick in the pants, help him up when he falls and show him how to help himself up when he falls again the next time. I can tell him when he's acting insecure and it's affects on himself and his wife and why he should stop it. I can offer him some insight on the education I wish I had 10 years ago. He can choose to use the information and he can choose to disregard it, he has free will, much like his wife.


Rob, I was struck just now by just how closely the above describes my own general approach to helping others (or at least trying to) on these forums. I am often similarly called out as trying to be a "know-it-all." And I probably don't, as Kett suggests, take the time to couch my language with the softening "perhaps"s, "maybe"s and "have you considered"s that maybe I should.

We're all incredibly busy. We come here with some shred of free time that we have in our day to try to see if we can "pay it forward" and help someone else, and we all take different approaches and use different styles. I personally don't feel the need to do the "((((hugs!))))" thing, for the most part (I do sometimes), as there are so many others who do it better than I do, and it is perhaps even their ministry. I feel called more to "exhort," and call people -- especially men -- up to a stronger stand and a stronger standard, and encourage them to stop being a victim and try to get their power back in the relationship.

I think we all offer a good mix.

Puppy


Preach it to the choir my brother from another mother ;-)

Mine is a much more direct approach that some people may not feel comfortable with. I don't mind the hugs and sometimes they're definitely called for, going through this process and helping alot of my friends who have gone through similar situations with their wives has made me realize that for the most part, this is an education that most men would benefit a great deal from.

Some men are born with the natural intuition in how to respond, some are born more assertive & more confident, depending on our individual life stories, alot of things came along the way which affected our development.

There are no courses in school that teach us this.

We have Math, English, Biology, Phys Ed, Chemistry, Physics, Calculus, physics, history, etc.

But no courses on how to be a strong masculine man, not a prick who beats up on women and is physically & verbally abusive to everyone around them but how to be strong, confident, masculine and the positive benefits attributed to realizing these attributes as a male.

No courses on what to expect with relationships, how to develop meaningful & fulfilling relationships, the value of being honest, communicating needs, the importance of self-respect, self-value, self-esteem, self-love, etc.

Sure sex ed covers insert slot A into slot B and use a raincoat to prevent getting black spots on your john thomas, hair will grow here, here and here, these areas of the body will develop, this is what happens when you get aroused, this part grows bigger, points up towards the north star, pregnancy occurs when millions of these little guys find this one egg and 9 months later you have the responsibility of a lifetime, etc. Which is all good & understandable when you're in grades 4,5 and 6 depending on the school system you're in.

No courses that I knew of growing up in my neck of the woods, and for the most part, alot of fathers don't do a great job of providing this education to their sons because they probably lack the required knowledge & skillset also. We're all just bumbling around hoping just to make it to the next level (ie. grow up, get married, have kids, so they can repeat the cycle) yet while we're on this level we aren't taught the necessary skills to grow & develop even more instead of remaining complacent - we plateau and get used to being comfortable with life as is and alot of us don't realize that there is more to life than just work, bills, mortgages, etc. (wash, rinse, repeat) or we're trapped into thinking that's what life is, why should you expect more, that's how it was when we were young, our parents did it, their parents also, and so on & so forth.

Reading any or all of this, hopefully you will see that I'm not that much of a hard a$$ (only when I want to be) ;-)

Last edited by robx; 08/21/09 06:17 PM.