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Originally Posted By: Gypsy
...Whenever ex would write a letter slamming me, I'd look for the nugget of truth because it's always in there amidst upsetting words.


Gypsy,

I agree with what you wrote here because I think it's especially important for S14 to feel heard even when the message is buried so deeply in anger or venom...

Not sure if you noticed it, but I wrote similar sentiment to W above when I said:

"Yes, his sarcastic comments and biting (but not so witty) comebacks are hard to take. I try to listen “through” them to see what he’s really saying; I find when I don’t focus on the vitriol, I get a better sense of what he’s actually thinking… even if it doesn’t always make sense... it gives me more of an idea as to where he’s coming from than if I just scold him for the “packaging”."

I desperately want her to see that, too; I think a lot of it is a cry for help and a need to be heard, but she is so focused on the wrapping and how it hurts her, that he loses his voice which, I think, frustrates him even more...

If any of that makes any sense...

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Any movement in your sitch?


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Originally Posted By: Coach
Any movement in your sitch?


None discernable...


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How can you shake things up in a good way? Good for you, the kids, and your wife. Use some Moji mind tricks.


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Originally Posted By: Coach
How can you shake things up in a good way? Good for you, the kids, and your wife. Use some Moji mind tricks.


Not seeing a whole lot of ways...

Thinking it's going to have to come down to the realities of what the D is going to mean (and leading on the mechanics)... even then I have little reason to believe it will put a dent in the armor... So, I'm already dead...

Taking the boys golfing... Maybe I'll even bump into Puppy... And off to Michigan (again) for the day on Saturday... I'm good with that...

Any thoughts, Oh Mighty LBS-Whisperer?

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-video some of the golf antics and watch them when you get back with the boys
-eat at a diner
- bring back some matches from a new restaurant
- make up a song with the boys
- go play putt-putt/batting cages
- talk to everyone you meet on the roadtrip
- practice mouth sounds in the car (machine gun, car, monkey, mule, gas, cow, etc) with the boys
- what's on your bucket list?

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ps Ten bucks says you call him Puppy to his face. laugh


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Originally Posted By: Coach
-video some of the golf antics and watch them when you get back with the boys


Good call... The game films could be ugly...

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-eat at a diner


Check... Did that last Sunday, too. The rib tips were awesome...

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- bring back some matches from a new restaurant


To go with the fireworks we picked up last Sunday?

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- make up a song with the boys


My head's hurtin' already...

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- go play putt-putt/batting cages


Again? wink

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- talk to everyone you meet on the roadtrip


That's a given...

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- practice mouth sounds in the car (machine gun, car, monkey, mule, gas, cow, etc) with the boys


That's a new one. $10 says fart sounds will come into the picture... Real and fake...

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- what's on your bucket list?


??? Do you mean for W?

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ps Ten bucks says you call him Puppy to his face. laugh


You're on...


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- practice mouth sounds in the car (machine gun, car, monkey, mule, gas, cow, etc) with the boys


LOL: I'll have to get this started next time I am on a family car trip with kids and W.


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Originally Posted By: Coach
- practice mouth sounds in the car (machine gun, car, monkey, mule, gas, cow, etc) with the boys


LOL: I'll have to get this started next time I am on a family car trip with kids and W.


One of my favs with the boys was pretending to do "bomb runs" in the car and "shoot down" cars in front of us. We used to run the checklists and make all the radio calls, the boys would and I would be pushing buttons and shifting gears. Of course we always "shacked" the target and became a ace every trip to the grocery store. We used to run the landing checklist pulling into the driveway. Now those two punks will be in college in a week. Used to get alot of strange looks wearing my helmet with the oxygen mask on and visor down.


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Any chance she'd go to Retrovaille? Maybe under the guise of "even if we do divorce, this would make it less hostile..." which is true. But it'd also make the divorce a lot less likely.

H and I attended last weekend and finally feel the div is truly busted. So, I highly recommend it. Money won't stop you no matter what others tell you. They do ask for an anonymous donation at the end of the weekend but that's it. We gave a lot b/c we got a lot. And were blessed by it.

Couples with problems worse than yours....YES, worse than yours, lead the group and though there was no "public sharing" between the participants. But the team couples do share and have been through some serious "SH*T", yet they made it. They are happy. I thought "if they could make it through THAT, we can make it through our issues" which now seem small in comparison. H was also moved by the weekend.

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