how do I move from friendship

[whitneypinch]

Yep, to all of the above. Been there and thought about it all.
I know I am not suposed to give up but I beleive in my heart that she is never coming back. There are so many factors for her not to come back. For me, my family (her and the kids) are the most important thing in the world. I guess she does not agee with that. I am a great father but that is not enough for her to at least try to talk to me.
I am 99% sure we are done. As I mentioned lovenomatterwhat had an element in it that both you are I don't have in our situation, his wife did initiate some stuff. I think that is where it all begins. If the WAW does initiate then there is a tiny bit of hope. My ex has NEVER initiated. Sure, she will say yes if I ask her to do fun things with me but she is very clear while we are doing it that it's only friendship.
I am just burnt out and want to be with someone excited to do stuff with me.....