Yeah MB... I had my opinion on most of these things for years, even before the current sitch, but it's nice to hear someone independent (MC) tell me the same observations!

About her self-esteem returning: I don't know... She's had low self-esteem ever since I've known her. Although she was the one that came after me more than 10 yrs ago now. I did not pursue her at all at first. We have gone to the MC in joint sessions twice, both last year before the S. Then we went in late April this year and both had some individual time with her and then about 20 min together. After every session, W will say that she really helps her and she wants to go again. I have made the appointments every single time, but after the last time, she said she wanted to make the appointmenr and I said great, go ahead. After that, nothing happens. She forgets, forgets again, then says she doesn't have any money... I got tired and just went by myself. Earlier this week she fried her phone by leaving it in her pocket while getting an MRI done, and she DID have money to buy a new $200 iPhone, she said she had just sold some artwork.... The money is an issue but also an excuse, MC agrees with that. I figured I can go at least once to see what the MC can advise me since she has talked to W by herself. The MC told me that W is very self-criticizing and hard on herself. The MC told me that she hopes W will get help, because she really needs it, and I told her I hope so too, but I can't make her go...

MB, I wish I could tell her to "just stop it!" (It's a MAD TV sketch with a psychologist that solves everyone's problem within 5 minutes by telling to "just stop it!". W actually forwarded me a link to it a couple of months ago... how ironic!