C - I dont know what to say. Replying to you is starting to feel like it did when replying to Kevin in Dallas.

We are telling you what you need to do and yet you THINK your way is better.

Why cant you get that your way is NOT WORKING. It hasnt worked yet and WONT work in the future.

DB principle number one is do what works. If it doesnt then try something else.

She is going to stay in "cakeeating" mode until you change something.

Do you honestly think spending all this time with her and cracking her back and blah blah blah is going to get her to "see the light" and suddenly say wow you are such a nice guy C what am I doing? NO! Sorry doesnt work that way. She has to see that you ARE detached ARE moving on DONT know what you WANT. She has to feel her power over you disappear. Until then she will keep on playing with her puppy and yank his leash whenever she feels sad or lonely.

Plus you need to stop using your boys as an excuse to see her. What you are doing will help your family in the long run a lot more then trying to be a "family" now.

In the end you will do what you think is best. How has that been working for ya?

PMA