Just for the sake of argument, I don't think the hardline approach would work with someone in MLC which I think my W is in. When she starts re-evaluating everything in her life that she's worked for, not just our R, then I think giving them ultimatums that are not of their own choosing would work.

I think sandi and a couple others had said that too.

M-43 W-40
2D - 9 and 5

Emotion, yet peace.
Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet a new life.

RECONCILED AND WISER