I do like this debate, it goes to show the opinion and thoughts of a man and woman.
Again. This is why you are "STUCK"...
It isn't about "debate"..
It is about doing what works. What you are doing is really not working. It isn't going to work. You can take her to dinner, rub her feet, wash her hands, do the laundry, give her comliments and be her friend for another three years.
What will work is letting go and letting her see and feel that you have given up on trying (alive calls it "working")
Your working is NOT working. Two and one half years should be more than enough. I could be wrong though. Maybe another year or so and enough work can turn this around. Be her friend.
Mr. Stuck's "work" (can we pick a different word, jeez), is to focus on himself and what the heck he needs to do to feel ok in his skin. Read what I've written him, we are saying the same thing in different ways.
But, you are batsh*t crazy if you think a person can up and leave and make huge life-altering decisions because YOU told them they would gain self-esteem from doing it.
There are many ways to skin a cat.
And Stuck, for starters, what do you need to spend some time on (not work )? What's up with you?
Why don't you do the 24 hours of no posting about W and see how that goes for you? Just about you.