Yes, Lucky, I read some of the things you refer to in the other threads and Schnarch about behaviour and roles inside and outside the bedroom.

As you said, women were taught to be ladies, not "whores". Men were taught to be gentlemen, not cavemen. But in the bedroom we're supposed to let it all go and get animal like. Easier said than done.

Here, I've been beating myself up for a long time now because thinking I've got hang-ups or something wrong inside. W even suggested maybe I was batting for the other team...uh no. Nothing's wrong (except maybe too much nice-guy stuff). The intimacy thing just needs to grow into this stage to stay alive.

I can see that it CAN happen but it takes a lot of letting go, trust, and communication between both partners. It WILL happen with her or the next Mrs Orangedog.

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After I confronted W on this banking stuff today, she's acting all nice. Isn't that interesting.

"My actions are my only true belongings. I cannot escape the consequences of my actions. My actions are the ground upon which I stand." Thich Nhat Hanh