Wow, did you hit the nail on the head describing my M as well. Thanks so much for your insight, although like orangedog, I'm not sure if I will have opportunity to take advantage of it. I was so frustrated with my W. Three pregnancies in four years were very hard on our physical relationship. It did pick up a little after our last child was born, but it never "stuck". Now I see how how I failed. Why isn't this stuff taught to marriage counselors!