Kenn... Thank you. That was helpful in that I always knew that he was feeling guilty (I am sure for FAR mor than I even know) for leaving the family and hurting me...I just never thought of those ststements as martyrdom...interesting. And as for the "you will be better off"...yeah, heard that one too!!!!! You know what is crazy??? That I feel like telling him "OK...it is OK whatever you've done so far is OK and I love you enough to forgive you and work thru it all!!!!" I want to comfort him in a way. Psychology for sure!!! Maybe just plain psycho!!! Thank you for taking the time to post. This MB is a Godsend. Seriously. Just when something happens or my brain is cluttered and full, about to burst with negativity...I come here and someone says something so seemingly obvious...and it helps clear the clutter! You had mentioned there being alot of stuff to read out there to help...do you mean relationship books in general, or info pertaining to the coping/guilt of the WAS?? More input there would be great! Thanks again... P.S. Hopefully NO ONE here judges on typing skills, or the posts that I type as I am crying my eyes out and CLREARLY making no sense would be banished forever!!! Take care...