thanks forthe reminder mnt. it is true...and that is why I AM taking the DB technique and the high road. the thing is...should I be worried that he ISN'T blaming me for the R problems???!! He says stuff like it is not you...you have done nothing wrong...I know it is all my fault. and then proceeds with the seperation. so, there is never going to be the day when he "realizes" it is not my fault...and comes back...???