Bill I agree whole heartedly, 100%.
Fantastic post.
It is what I try to say time and time again, but usually I am queried as to why I am on this board if not to help save m.
I hate D, but I despair of the mentality that you put up and shut up at any cost.
I work with young children for over 30 years and yes D hits children hard at times,younger ones seem to fare so much better as far as baggage is concerned.
What I do see that affects the children more than anything is the mums who live in a loveless m and soldier on because of the children. Maybe these mums are just not so good at masking the pain of carrying a family.
Again I agree with the daughter thing, exactly what I told my daughter.
If I didn't see the man who would have walked on hot coals at the beginning of a rel, I am sure he wasn't going to be doing it later down the line.

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Somehow, in DB mode, we become willing to accept the smallest of scraps from our spouse. Even worse, we encourage others to do the same

This is what I will never understand.
No one throws their m away on a whim and the folks on here have the patience of saints I applaud that but if the spouse wants back surely to goodness you need to be shown and feel love.

I have a feeling Maria, knows what a great love is, bad timing not withstanding how can you settle when you know what a true loving rel. looks and feels like.
Ok enough said but Maria, read and re read Bill's post.