I have to agree with Bill on this one....if I would detect just a little bit of passion or compassion from your H, I would say keep plugging along. Unfortunatelly, what you describe is a man who is just not interested....why....that is another topic altogether. The daughter talk really hit home with me....alot of people put up with (or have put up with) alot of crap just to get a shot at trying to convince the WAS to giv eit another shot. As far as FB2's notion that it is K's job ("Given the 'sitch' who else is capable of doing this job!?"), this will never work unless both parties (and even then it is a long shot) are totally committed to making it work. I am not even sure K is....let alone her husband.