Oh God yes JMC, I read a lot of the stories and a good part of them are really crazy and shocking. It really is amazing. Also sad. Talked to her daughter today and she thinks her mom is starting menopause. I asked her if she was purposely trying to wreck my day. LOL! I was kidding of course. The relationship between daughter and mom is strained. Its going to get even murkier in the next few months. Ha! I've heard the term Gladiator school. That term applies perfectly here, because if you can survive this, you can survive ANYTHING. DDay.....Don't know if we have talked....was in newcomers until I um, cough, 'graduated' to this forum. You are the second one to mention that after the divorce issues are solved, it clears up some things. Makes sense, especially if they are really determined. Plus, I think the post-divorce period MIGHT be where they start to have second thoughts or regrets. Start a thread....it could help. It does me. It don't make the problems go away, but its a great vent for me as I have to hide my intentions from friends and family. I also think you're not going to find any better advice then here.IMHO. At least nobody here has told me to "find another girl" like I've heard from someone I know.