although im not giving up 100%, i am 99% - you can be a realist, even while being an optimist, and all this hoping doesnt help take away the pain. as an MD, some conditions are terminal. as you have done innshannon, youve done all you can do, the rest is up to him. while we look to examples in michelles book of success stories, we should all realize, especaially those of us in the last resort sitch, that the odds of getting our marriages back are slim to none.