i am very sorry again to see what is going on. It is interesting to me that she is more concerned about how you found out than the affair itself....or so it seems. When you say "she talks" , what exactly are you expecting her to say. Do you want her to admit the affair. Do you not have enough "proof". I would imagine you do becasue your reaction has been different than in the past. So what can she possibly say to change things in your mind. I guess it always come back to the same common denominator....are you in or out. the wedding ring thing is your way of showing your W that you are done. Perhaps you should have melted it or sold it yourself. Take care of yourself Lan. Take care of your daughter as well. Tough times ahead my friend....but it is the path to a better place.