Cagz, of course it hurts and of course I know that, gosh, absolutely. And I didnt remind Trusting of the pain, the note did. I am simply suggesting.. its human nature.. if you really let something go, to fly free.. it is more likely to return to you. The tighter you grip, the more it struggles. Didnt you read what I wrote??

I appreciate you feel protective and deeply care for Trusting.. but at the moment, this man is gone living with an OW and me and Breton have tried to express a few different ways of handling this. I still stand by that.. I think its time to respect his choice on the face of it (in a DBing sense), let him feel that, let him go in a sense, but time now to be his friend. See what affect that has on him.