I'm curious as to how much -- if any -- you all would change your advice here if the marriage were effectively dead, by mutual consent. In other words, two parties agree that it's not working, they've tried everything they can do, and they agree to either separate or divorce, but it' takes awhile in their state. One spouse wants to date -- probably while the two spouses still even live in the same house, but with some "rules" -- while the other says "we're still married; you can wait a few months."