Jack, I think what you said has a lot of merrit. I do come accross as blunt, straight to the point, negative, and a bit cynical. I do see the odds as long, but I don't disagree that one shouldn't try, my beef is when its hopeless, and it gets to that point a lot here, people don't want to see or hear that. I do agree that we see a lot of the same things, I guess I just need a little polish! LOL