Love you Confused, but I'm going to call you out Man. You are lying. You are going to wait. Just like I am. We are waiting to see what happens and working hard while we do it. We want to save our families and our WAS might not. At some points in the day, our WAS do not want to save the marriage, they do not want to be with us. During other moments though, even whole days and weekends, they do. And we can see it and feel it. That is what we are trying to grow, to increase, those days, those feelings. You can win her back. You have a family with this woman. Fight for it. Sounds like you're doing great--just stop the relationship talks when your not in the MC sessions. Don't let her say over and over "It's over." You make it sound like waiting is a bad thing. As long as you don't sit there doing NOTHING, it's ok to wait. While I'm waiting to see what happens in my relationship, I'm playing more tennis, doing yoga, running and exercising. I'm reading more, I'm talking to my friends here, I'm going out with my girlfriends for dinner and lunches. I'm working hard on my career. Right now, I've got an offer for a new job which is huge in this market and my current boss told me to sign nothing so he can counter offer! Love it! But I'm concentrating most of my time with my S though. He is truly my soul and my heart. He has made this process so much easier and lightened the load. So, while you wait, and you are waiting Confused, do some great things for yourself. That way, should this not work out you can say I did everything I could to save this relationship and at the same time did some really great things for myself and my boys. No regrets, no "wasted time waiting around for her." It's ok to wait, just do some other things for you while you do it. It's bad to wait if you're just sitting there, doing nothing but hoping she comes back. Do things, give her a glimpse of this man who likes himself.