thanks for the input guys. its nice to have that 3rd person view. your right about the OM, I can see that now. her not " feeling Married" crap was a way to validate her cheeting on her husband. I dont have anything to loose anymore. I have tried the persuit and it diudnt work. I have stepped through every friggin hoope like C and self awarness classes and anger manegment, but it didnt mean anythiong to her. My friends, and heck a lot of her friend who i still see, tell me they see a new me. she just dosen't want to .....or may never want to. SO, I have nothing left to do now but to BUILD a NEW me. if she tries to come along GREAT if not.... i will miss her always but cant let my life end. she had a husband, who when confronted about being better said OK. Thats not easy to find. was i neglectfull, yes i took her wonder for granted sometimes. did I yell, yes sometimes I did. Did i refuse to admit all this and not work on myself NO!!! i RAN to where ever she pointed because i WANTED to be a better husband. mean while she's now 29 with a new nose-ring and wants to get angel wings on her back to show what she has " rizen above" in life. jees if i wasn't heartbroke i would almost laugh. Its been a one sided battel and I cant win that.