Thank you MPT, but how did you get from my earlier posts that I gave her an ultimatum? Can you quote where I said that? I believe what I said, without going thru the whole thread again, was that I was willing to remain in a guest bedroom until she was willing to move forward, and not let that issue pollute our marriage any longer. I put the ball in her court, and I did not assign any time frame to it. That is not an ultimatum. Also, in therapy, I told her that if she could not let it go, to be honest with herself and with me and say so. She insisted that she could leave it behind. Again, where is the ultimatum? It really sounds more like the differences between me and my W. You see ultimatums, pressure to change, me looking for bliss; I see it as following through on promises, and giving basic attention to a relationship. My commentary seems to get twisted into things that are not even said, or intended.