Hmmmm...thank you MPT for telling me my motivation. Silly me, but I thought I was changing my behavior because it was important to her and because my prior behavior almost put us in divorce court. I thought I wanted to save my marriage, and make my wife happy. But you have opened my eyes, and now I realize that I'm just a selfish bastard. I see little reason to have any "discussions" about sex with my W, because everything she's said she'd do, she's done the opposite. She's never been as direct as you have been, and if she had, we'd be a lot better off becasue it would be HONEST.

I thought this might be a good place to find some support, but I'm finding the situations and advice somewhat pathetic....One man (Sooner) goes a month without touching his wife, doesn't mention sex, then makes an effort to touch her...she rolls her eyes like "there he goes again...wanting SEX", and he feels guilty for touching her, like it's some sort of relapse...("why did I let myself fall of the wagon, and touch my wife!!!"). And this behavior in him is encouraged by his supporters. Another man recommends to another that he take Benadryl before going to bed so as to reduce his urges for sex. Great advice: drug yourself into being an LD partner!! Seems like that's the thrust of the advice....come down to the LD level, and STAY THERE!

Thanks for the support, and for telling me what I REALLY think.