I actually think it's nice that H is talking with s17. As long as he's not blaming or bashing SC. I don't think he really needs to be in the middle of it, but like you said SC, leaving him completely out of it will not be good either.

It's not like the kid is 7 or something. he's practically an adult, and he will most likely go thru something just like this in the future, and he can learn from you guys' mistakes. IMHO.

in regards to cake eating.... I guess it depends if your meaning of cake eating is on purpose or not. I believe he still wants a connection with you because he loved you, and there is still something there, but he has it set in his head that nothing will ever change or work. But he still can't totally let you go. IMHO that just shows me there is still hope.

Me 33 H 34 S9 S3
M 6 yrs (2gether 11 yrs)
EA/PA 1/2006
DB 5/2006
H wants D 6/2006
H wants ME 8/2006
H "said" PA/EA over 8/2006
H erased OW off phone! 2/2007

"It is far better 2 choose humility & change oneself, than 2 wait in vain trying 2 chang someone else."